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    Battlefield 4

    Seems they're taking the CoD direction :/

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    Re: Battlefield 4

    I don't know about that, beta in 2013, game in 2014?

    that'll be three years between games.

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    meh.
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    Re: Battlefield 4

    Quote Originally Posted by Boylee View Post
    meh.
    I concur
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    Re: Battlefield 4

    Said it once I'll say it again, meh.

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    Re: Battlefield 4

    I've spent my hours more than enough in Battlefield 3. If Battlefield 4 is going to be just as good as Battlefield 3 i would not see a reason to not buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awesome-o View Post
    I've spent my hours more than enough in Battlefield 3.
    I haven't I concur with the "meh" statement
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    I rather read a book than play that, well ok maybe not a book but my kindle
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    Re: Battlefield 4

    Haven't played as much BF3 as a should have, because of the awful and annoying Origin and Battlelog. Makes playing a game very tedious.
    Gonna hold off and see if they fix this in BF4 (which is very unlikely)
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    I find that BF is heading more and more towards CoD territory these days , that coupled with the complete lack of community mod support left me decidedly unimpressed. BF3 should have been a great game but instead it was a tad lacklustre for me. Sure it had amazing sound, graphics and physics but the gameplay simply wasn't as much fun as other multiplayer shooters that I've played. I think I would even go as far as to say I thought BF:BC2 was more fun.
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    Re: Battlefield 4

    Quote Originally Posted by Boylee View Post
    I find that BF is heading more and more towards CoD territory these days , that coupled with the complete lack of community mod support left me decidedly unimpressed. BF3 should have been a great game but instead it was a tad lacklustre for me. Sure it had amazing sound, graphics and physics but the gameplay simply wasn't as much fun as other multiplayer shooters that I've played. I think I would even go as far as to say I thought BF:BC2 was more fun.
    I do agree, especially with BC2 being more fun. (though the balance issues were SO frustrating, should have seen that as a sign of things to come tbh).

    One of the things that annoyed me the most was EA's (and DiCE's) adamant stance that they had to compete with CoD.
    Seriously, there's enough room for both, you don't have to 'kill' the other game..
    BF has enough dedicated fans that it really doesn't matter if you kill CoD or not, make it a true BF game and they will buy it.

    It's the same with GW2, only ArenaNet know what they are doing and aren't trying to kill WoW, they are catering to their fans.
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    Re: Battlefield 4

    I don't get why games are released so quickly now after the previous. Guess the lack of community these days?

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    Not the lack of community. The lack of community support for the game. If we can't have dedicated servers, can't make mods and we'll have to relie on the developers to make custom content it all takes to long for people before they are bored out of the game. Communities will excist around modding tools if they are provided, i dont get why publishers dont get this.
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    Re: Battlefield 4

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    I don't get why games are released so quickly now after the previous. Guess the lack of community these days?
    There is no community, its been wiped out as Boylee said with the lack of mod support and after Dice insulted the mod community Im amazed that anyone bought it. Here if you jump to 2mins in this video you will hear Dice says the engine is too complex for mod makers to understand. So DIce has stuck their middle finger up at the mod makers and said thanks for putting us where we are now.



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    Communities will excist around modding tools if they are provided, i dont get why publishers dont get this. ?
    There is no money in it for them, they need players to pay pay pay. Soon as its worn off make another and make them pay again and so on. Its very sad, I really can't be bothered playing it anymore. Its just like Tribes Ascend all they want is the points atm, thats why you see all these spam servers on BF3, its so sad to see that the gameplay has died already.

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    Re: Battlefield 4

    Quote Originally Posted by SCi-Fi View Post
    There is no money in it for them, they need players to pay pay pay.
    If a publisher thinks this, I'd only ask them to talk to Bohemia Interactive about how much the mod DayZ has increased their revenue from Arma II and their projected revenue for Arma III.
    I think they would find from many other games that have provided extensive mod support have found increased lifetime of the game and therefore a greater revenue. Perhaps more importantly a bigger user-base to sell future games or expansions to.
    Publishers really don't have much ground to stand on when they claim there is no money in mod support.
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    Re: Battlefield 4

    profit and money are different things.

    How much extra work does it take to make an engine support mods? (Personally, I've no idea, but probably a considerable amount)


    What gets more profit:
    1. Putting Dev hours into mod support. Slight increase in Call of Duty 15 sales, based on mod interest.
    2. Putting those hours into developing Call of Duty 16, bought by millions of teens every #^$%ing time they release a new one.

    sadly I think the answer is #2.

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    Problem there is, when developers get more passionate about profit than about their game, you already know it'll go the wrong way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc View Post
    profit and money are different things.

    How much extra work does it take to make an engine support mods? (Personally, I've no idea, but probably a considerable amount)


    What gets more profit:
    1. Putting Dev hours into mod support. Slight increase in Call of Duty 15 sales, based on mod interest.
    2. Putting those hours into developing Call of Duty 16, bought by millions of teens every #^$%ing time they release a new one.

    sadly I think the answer is #2.
    I did specifically avoid the term profit by saying revenue.

    Also it depends on the engine as to ease of adding mod tools, often the tools for modifying engines are there from the creation of the game (such as in Source engine games, or Unreal Engine games). It's worth noting the majority of games are not made in specially made games engines, and most licensed game engines have tools that support modding, meaning there is much less preventing developers adding mod support. The Call of Duty engine is outdated and does not easily support modding, it's also quite a special case since it is developed for the purpose.
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    Re: Battlefield 4

    The thing is that the Frostbite engine does have an editor they just won't let the community get their hands on it. I think that the problem is EA to be honest,I can't imagine that DiCE would be against mod support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boylee View Post
    The thing is that the Frostbite engine does have an editor they just won't let the community get their hands on it. I think that the problem is EA to be honest,I can't imagine that DiCE would be against mod support.
    does it?
    I really don't think it does.
    It's been a closed off engine for a while, hence why only EA games use it and none of them have mods/custom maps.
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